HOW TROLLS WORK.....
THEY WANT YOU TO ANSWER THEM!!!!
THEY WANT YOU TO ANSWER THEM!!!!
The conversation below begins with a simple remark which seems innocent. This person, Micheal McDougald, had asked to be ny Facebook friend. When I erased an abusive person from ny friend's list (and they DO happen), MM quickly criticized me. Remember, this person asked to be my friend. I never ask anybody to be my friend as a general rule.
Judyth u r wrong for deleting and blocking people that dont agree with u. That is what the existence of the usa is built on is the freedom to express your opinion. U might wanr to reconsider this action
I have received death threats and also a threat to go to jail. You are not in my position. You already made up your mind: psychologists tell us that once you publicly make a stand you will not change your mind. You will never change your mind and would YOU have a 'friend' who doesn't like you on your facebook pages? I have been online for fifteen years and these people are bringing up old arguments knowing some of the original people who were my witnesses are now dead. You will not change your mind. Gayle Nix Jackson even posted my private PM messages online. Why bring people close to me who have already made up their minds?
after all that;s happened, you said you were my friend, then befriended Trish Fleming, etc.. Enough said.
And you spell your name Micheal, which no real Michael does...
R u saying I cant be friends with trish fleming?
THIS IS A TROLL TRICK TO MAKE THE TARGET [ME] LOOK ABUSIVE.===
===I NOW REALIZE I'M DEALING WITH A TROLL.===
==THE TROLL DENIES IT, THOUGH HE 'LIKED' WHAT SHE WROTE=======
==THE TROLL AVOIDS REPLYING,===
---BUT IT DID. MM ;LIKED' WHAT BOTH TRISH FLEMING AND DENIS KITTY MORISSETTE WERE SAYING AT THE SAME TIME.==
--THOUGH I ANSWERED HIS QUESTION ABOUT WHY I WASN'T MENTIONED AND WHY I 'HIDE' OVERSEAS, THE TROLL THEN SAYS I 'CAN'T' ANSWER 'TRUTHFULLY.' HE IS NOT HERE TO LEARN. HE I TENDS TO REJECT WHATEVER I SAY.-----
----THR TROLL CONTINUES TO CONTEND THAT I DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.----
---THE TROLL DOES NOT APOLOGIZE. INSTEAD, THE TROLL INSISTS THAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD FIND ME, EVEN THOUGH THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF PUBLICITY IF I WAS MURDERED NOW. AS FOR BACK IN 1963-1969 THE TECHNOLOGY DID NOT EXIST TO FIND ME AND I WAS ALSO LIVING IN MEXICO PART OF THAT TIME.NEVERTHELESS, I TRY TO BE POLITE AND DO REPLY....----
---TROLLS USE ABUSIVE TERMS WHEN THEY CANNOT FIND A LOGICAL WAY TO REPLY. IN THIS CASE, I AM NOW ACCUSED OF BEING 'SICK' BY THIS 'FRIEND' WHO REQUESTED TO BE MY FACEBOOK FRIEND.----
====THE TROLL KNOWS I WAS LIVING IN FLORIDA AND COULD NOT, IN 1963, HAVE GOT TO DALLAS IN TIME. HE NEVER READ THE BOOK SO FAILS TO REALIZE I HAD CHILDREN TO PROTECT BY THEN.----
-------THE TROLL IS IGNORANT OF MY FIVE CHILDREN AND THE CONSEQUENCES TO THEM.HE ALSO DOESN'T MENTION DR. MARY SHERMAN, GUY BANISTER, HUGH WARD,AND DAVID FERRIE, WHO I KNEW AND WERE ALL MURDERED. I NEVER KNEW ANYONE IN THE GROUP HE POINTS AT.THEY ARE 'DALLAS' PEOPLE.----
-------TROLLS--CHARACTER ASSASSINATION--RUINING REPUTATIONS--IS CHEAP AND EASY. I TRY TO STAY POLITE....----
---WHEN A TROLL IS FINISHED, THE NAME-CALLING RETURNS.-----
----THE TROLL TRIES TO LOOK LIKE HE IS NOT A TROLL BY PROVIDING SOME REASONABLE STATEMENTS. HOWEVER, HIS STATEMENTS REVEAL HIS IGNORANCE.-----
------ODDLY, THE COMMENTS ABOVE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR HALF A MINUTE, SO I WROTE AGAIN--AND THEN THE COMMENTS ABOVE POSTED AS I FINISHED-----
----I HAD SAID 'RECORDS' NOT TAX RECORDS...THIS SEEMS A SIMPLE MISUNDERSTANDING ON THE TROLL'S PART-----
------AFTER ALL I'VE SAID TO HIM, THE TROLL NOW FINDS AN EXCUSE TO INSULT ME AGAIN------USING THE SAME ACCUSATIONS AS BEFORE.----THIS IS TYPICAL OF TROLL BEHAVIOR. THE INTENT IS NOT TO 'LEARN' BUT TO ABUSE.-----NEVERTHELESS, I TRY ONE MORE TIME TO REACH THE ABUSER.------
--------I HAVE SPENT AN HOUR AND THREE MINUTES TRYING TO REASON WITH THIS TROLL-------AND AM MISSING MY LUNCH APPOINTMENT (time shown is not the true time where i actually live)-----
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READERS WHO DON'T KNOW THE STORY OF ME AND LEE HARVEY OSWALD: PLEASE SEE
MY BOOKS: ME & LEE:HOW I CAME TO KNOW, LOVE AND LOSE LEE HARVEY OSWALD
DAVID FERRIE" MAFIA PILOT...KEY TO THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION
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I am saying you chose to be friends with a woman who announced she's writing articles to destroy my reputation.
When I was born the doctor misspelled my first name on my birth certificate. So its spelled MICHEAL on my birth certificate so legally the way I spell it on here is correct
You would do the same in my shoes.
OK, but that has little to do with your saying you are my friend and then befriending people who say they wish to destroy my reputation, Had you made a single 'like' in my defense I would feel differently. You would do the same.
I never heard no such thing from or about trish fleming writing any bad articles about u anywhere
How did you happen to befriend her? Did she ask you?
I need people who like me as friends, not those who do not.
They want to put me in jail. They send death threats.
I dont think that is any of your business how or why we became friends. But if u insist on knowing then I will insist on knowing why u befriended one of your friends
IN TORONTO, I SPOKE BEFORE 800 PEOPLE WHO CHEERED ME WHEN I FINISHED. But one person there wanted to puke -- Denis Kitty Morissette, who wrote: "I was in the audience in Toronto a few months ago during her interview/ ass kissing by Coast to Coast host George Norry [sic] [it's NOORY}. I almost threw up when I saw them applauding Judyth Baker and believing every claim she made. I almost took the microphone when they asked people for questions. She and her audience were ridiculous. ==Morissette ' almost threw up.' He 'almost took the microphone' when it was time for questions, but refrained. I stood there on the stage. I put my face right out there, ready and willing to answer any and all questions thrown at me. Why didn't he take the microphone and lash out at me? Because 800 people there saw i was honest and was telling the truth, and he would have been exposed as unreasonably hostile.
Your last response has nothing to do with me or this conversation we are having
no, you do not understand... you are the one who befriended Fleming and that is your business, I can ask why and you have every right to say it is none of my business. I really just wanted to see if you were a real friend. She may have requested your friendship and you innocently added her on. I befriend anyone who is not openly anti Kennedy or anti Lee Oswald or anti- me who is also a seeming good citizen-=-no porn on their site, I try to be selective but in the last couple of weeks I let a number of new people in without checking into their background just to see what I would get. It was a new idea. no ugliness.... If later they prove to be any of those things, I delete them. I added 500 friends last year and deleted 50--10%--who came only to argue with me or to declare Lee killed JFK, etc. They can do that someplace else.
I am showing you what a person posted who at one time pretended to be my friend. Wrote--oh, look what they are saying, please don't let them do this to you, etc....
an example of why I do not let everybody be my friend...it was one point, was about to show that to you.
I had mixed this person up with a female friend with almost the same name....
anyway, you don't want me as your friend, so let it be.
I wish you well and ask God to guide you to friends who will be kind and good to you and not merely use you for their own ends. smile emoticon
Please explain this to me directly from you. WHY ARE YOU NEVER MENTIONED IN THE OFFICIAL WARREN COMMISION [sic] REPORT. OR THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS REPORT ON THE JFK ASSASSINATION IF U KNEW LEE AND DAVID FERRIE SO WELL AS U CLAIM? please answer that for me
And if your telling the truth as u claim then why run and hide in another country
I see you swallowed the crap. Note that some of JFK's mistresses were never mentioned either, high profile as they were, no record, until they spoke out. You haven't read the books and believe the tripe. I was 'j. vary' in New Orleans, a name that got confused with Dave Ferrie if you only 'heard' it....I was Judyth Baker at Reily. I was Mrs. R A Baker III in Florida and successfully evaded being noticed. I was hospitalized five times in four years so live in exile. However, I have returned to the USA with bodyguards in 2012, 2013 and 2014, I stood ion A STAGE IN FRONT OF 800 PEOOLE IN Toronto a couple months ago. It alwasy provokes a bunch of attacks on facebook and threats.
...five times hospitalized with car 'accidents' that GEICO paid for because none were my fault and two were deemed deliberate, but the drivers gave fake names and vehicles could not be traced.
So basically u cant answer my question truthfully. That proves alot to me
My bodyguards are professionals.
What are you talking about? I can indeed answer you truthfully. I have nothing to hide. I said they didn't find me and I stayed under the radar. I am not the only one that evaded being found. I have witnesses on film and audiotape as well. They didn't tell you that, did they?
I dont care about your bodyguards and how others have treated u. I just asked a very simple question and all u can do is dance around it and dodge answering it
You asked why I run and hide in another country. I replied, I was injured and it doesn't happen any more now that I have bodyguards and also by living in exile.
what other question did I not answer truthfully, according to you?
I joined the Mormon church and was hidden under the name"Sister Baker."
Do u really expect me to believe that the federal government couldnt find someone like you. I dont believe that for a second
I published things under fake names, I was so afraid. I was "Avary Baker" when teaching at a university, for example. My birth certificates were altered and much else occurred so I could stay under the radar. You can see it in the book.
Do you understand that the last ting the federal government looked for was anybody that could open up the can of worms about a conspiracy?
If the feds really wanted to find u for questioning it wouldnt be that hard for them to do
But as I said, you are calling me a liar and saying I hide in Europe knowing nothing of my life but believing lies you've read. If you do that there is no way to reach your heart.
Not so. I was protected in many ways. even changed my eye color with contact lenses... used only my married name on checks...Never mentioned a thing until 1980. Except to my sister.
What I am saying is if lee harvey oswald could be found so easily then so can you. But if your sickness is so bad that u have to continue your lies to live a peaceful life then so be it
Sickness? I passed the MMPI II and have a psychologist's letter to prove it, where she says I am not a person who tells stories or has fantasies, etc. A PhD and she administered a whole battery of tests GEICO paid for because of my head injuries. That was in 2002 after I had already spoken out.
On the contrary, I would like a peaceful life, but these people are the ones who give me no peace. I am over here in Europe and they write things that you have read and believe, such as the lie that I have a mental illness and am a fantasist. None of them ever met me. Nor have you. However, you have decided what to believe. I have not lied to you. I did not evade any of your questions. I am not included in the WC and HSCA, etc. because I would have been killed. Look what happened to HSCA witnesses. I speak out now and look what's happening to me. Imagine what would have happened back then.
I was fortunate that back then I did not have to use a social security number to be employed in patt time jobs. The number did not show up for years.
Sure is strange that if u were so adamant that lee was innocent then u would have showed up in dallas on on November 22,1963 soon after lee was arrested or on November 23,1963 to proclaim his innocence. But no you waited about 17 years later sometime in 1980 before u started coming forward with anything. I find that extremely strange
Hmmm. On that point why was nix. Zapruder. Moorman.Beverly oliver. Marina oswald. Ruth paine. Etc etc never killed?
I waited because they would have killed me. Look what they did to Lee in just 47 hours. I sure had time to speak up in his defense, didn't I? I was living in Florida and by the way, who would have listened to me way over there? People risked a lot to help me hide...they would have been exposed. I did not do this in order to be forced to live overseas for my safety in my old age. I did it because it was the right thing to do. I prayed deeply about it before speaking out.
Ruth Paine attacked lee Oswald. read her testimony. She kept 'finding' evidence against him as well. Marina was threatened with deportation and has said so. Her American-born baby would have remained in USA with Lee's mother. Think about that. Beverly Oliver is attacked to this day. She did say bad things about Lee and that saved her. Zapruder was too obvious standing on the parapet. Instead, he was paid an enormous sum ot make sure the film didn't reach the American public.
The only reason people are so critical of your "stories" is because u have chosen to run and hide behind bodyguards in another country. Believe me if some powerful ententity really wanted to get you they could before your "bodyguards" even knew what happened. I.e. lee. Ruby. Lee bowers. Etc etc
Who knows? Someday you may change your mind when you learn the truth from books such as JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE. As your comments show you do not know very much. Years from now, maybe you will see that you were harsh on me. God bless you to learn the facts and the truth. I hope it will happen someday.
Im not being harsh on you sicko. Im being honest with you. There is way too much strong evidence that says lee harvey oswald was part of a conspiracy and that jack ruby was assigned to shut oswald up before he told everything he knew about the conspiracy plot
you called me 'sicko' and say that's not harsh? I provide for you the fact that I am just fine according to psychologists. No 'friend' would call me such a name. GOODBYE.
Lee harvey oswald was not the angel u proclaim him to be. U might not have known it if u really did know lee and david ferrie but I seriously doubt that u did
But lee and david ferrie was involved in some capacity in some very big stuff. Im sorry that they pulled the wool over your eyes
And that you were to blind to see the wool being pulled over your eyes. Lee may not have killed jfk but he was involved in the assassination plot in some capacity even as minimal as being a fall guy because of his connection with russia new orleans ferrie guy bannister etc etc
You called me 'sicko' which is abusive. I have bodyiuards who guard me for FREE because they have observed my being threatened and even know of efforts to locate me by people who post threats against me. You have no such problems. You can doubt all you wish. I have nothing but trouble for speaking the truth. For you, this is just armchair stuff, I have been cooperative. Had you read the book, you might have felt differently. But believe those who do not want you to read Me & Lee, or my 500 page book on David Ferrie, which is now going to be published in hardback because of its good reception as a paperback.Please read JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE to learn more about JFK's true enemies. I will, with God's help, forgive all who treat me as you do and hold no ill feelings, always believing that eventually you will realize that I am doing something good, and good for the country, because the truth makes us stronger. Lee's tax records withheld for security reasons--think of it. Records blocked, so you do NOT know if I am in THOSE (we do not know how many have been destroyed).
I'm sorry you called me 'sicko' as I would never descend to calling you names. We are all in God's hands. I sure do wish I could have peace in my golden years, but I owe it to my country to speak out. Thank you for reading. I now have to go.
Why would u be on lees tax records he was legally married to marina when u allegedly knew him in new orleans
No, you misunderstood... Lee's tax records from the Marines have been withheld, the time he was in the USSR...and was being paid 'hazardous duty' as a fake defector. they will destroy those records before admitting he was paid as a fake defector.Or already have. With photoshop these days, however, they can try to create fakes. Fortunately, we know (currently) how to analyze photoshopped faked records....I have to go....
That still dont explain you one of your many aliases would be on his tax records? I understand u gotta run and hide because u cant answer my questions without your lies being exposed
no, I have nothing to do with his tax records. I used that as an example of files that cannot be seen, and the fact that other files exist that may have mentioned me but are withheld...or have been destroyed,...the tax records being withheld would show he had been paid while in the USSR...they do NOT want those records released and any other very sensitive records also would not be released.. they do not release smoking guns to the public.
I have to run because it is 11 12 here and I have been asked to meet friends for lunch. I have a life. I have spent a lot of time with you and now can't spend any more. I did not hide. I replied politely to you. You are insulting me again. Don't you have a life? I have over 2,000 people here and 16 others also want me to talk to theM right now in pop-up boxes.
Tax records showing he was a fake defector wouldnt prove if he did or didnt pull the trigger on jfk
Excuse me but I have a life because I dont have to run and hide when the heat gets to[sic] hot on the burner
.,, you are being abusive. You are in God';s hands now. Goodbye. ... the tax records are being withheld for national security reasons. So are other files. Hundreds of them. You cannot prove I am not in those files or that they did not destroy such files. But as I said, you did not come here to learn anything. You came to accuse me of lying and haven't stopped, no matter......
Seen 10:16am---THE TROLL SEES THE MESSAGE----
You cannot reply to this conversation --THE TROLL HAS NOW UNFRIENDED ME AND BLOCKED ME.----
.......how I try to reason with you. Enough is enough.
-----IF YOU FIND YOURSELF BEING ABUSED ON FACEBOOK, UNFRIEND THE PERSON AND BLOCK THEM. I TRY TO REASON WITH THEM, BUT IT NEVER WORKS. HOWEVER, THEIR ABUSE IS ON RECORD.-----
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